• threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    2 days ago

    If not full ownership, eventually groups of people will have to have some sort of jurisdiction over certain regions on the moon.

    Can we divide it up into sections like we have with Antarctica?

    • azi@mander.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      16 hours ago

      The states that have claims over Antarctica exercise no effective jurisdiction over them. The Antarctic Treaty basically just confirms their existence, gives the US and USSR the right to each make one whenever they want, and then moves on to laying out what can and can’t be done on the continent without regard to the claims.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    2 days ago

    Shortly before launch, the Navajo Nation lodged a formal complaint with NASA and the US Department of Transportation, saying that sending human remains to the lunar surface violated its sanctity. The letter said, in part, “It is crucial to emphasize that the moon holds a sacred position in many Indigenous cultures, including ours. The act of depositing human remains and other materials, which could be perceived as discards in any other location, on the moon is tantamount to desecration of this sacred space.”

    If a religion gets to say what can and can’t be on the moon, that’s hardly a solution.

    Like, an important location on ancestral lands is one thing…

    Claiming the entire fucking moon is another.

    • azi@mander.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 day ago

      Is it another thing? I don’t see how this is different from respecting areas that are held sacred by different religions, like much of the major holy sites in India or Palestine-Israel. Just because it’s shared that doesn’t give you a right to desecration.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        Just because it’s shared that doesn’t give you a right to desecration.

        Well, I’d think an important metric would be “how much space is being set aside for a single religions holy sites”.

        For the moon, thats…

        About 14,500,000 square miles.

        For reference Asia is the largest continent at 17,300,000 and Africa is the second largest at about 11,000,000.

        And that’s not even getting into an absolute shit ton of other religions also worship some aspect of the moon and have the same “claim” to be able to say what happens. Or even to say that now that it’s able to be done, they want their ashes to rest on their own most sacred site?

        That’s the point between a local small area and the freakin moon.

        Exclusivity of “ownership”.

    • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 days ago

      Hey, would you like to join my religion? We hold sacred not only The Moon but also Mars, the asteroids, Europa, Enceladus, and all the precious metals and water they contain. The rest of humanity must make a peace offering an our temples every time anyone wants to do any building or mining.

  • bacon_pdp@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    ·
    2 days ago

    Technically the UN has responsibilities for land negotiations for which there is no clear agreement on ownership. But many nations don’t recognize that (like India and Pakistan)