Later studies found that pintos were not particularly more likely to explode than other cars of the same form factor from that era. Turns out, plenty of other manufacturers cut costs by placing the fuel tanks in the rear bumper. And either way there’s plenty of other things you should be more concerned about in deathtraps from that era, such as the steering column impaling you if the front of your car collides with anything, or the roof caving in if your car is ever upside-down.
What did Ford in was the Pinto Memo. Evil corpo pro-tip: Doing clownishly evil napkin math on the relative costs of lawsuits vs a cheap fix is fine, just don’t be so dumb as to write it down where a hungry journalist might find it.
Anyway are teslas better or worse than the pinto or comparable modern cars? Who fucking cares, if people actually cared about car safety they would all be lobbying to ban cars within cities and Tesla "F"SD would be illegal everywhere. Anyway it seems that the Swasticar branding is doing more damage to Tesla’s reputation than any amount of ludicrous safety and manufacturing issues ever did.
"F"SD
Fatal Self Driving
Because the percentages are less than the qty. The denominator is larger and the percentage is technically lower.
Idk I’m just talking out my ass but it sounds like it could math.
Quick eyeball of Tesla figures shows about 5mil sold over all models. Ford Pinto sold about 3mil. So the percentages are pretty close with Tesla deaths nearly quadruple Pinto deaths. And the truck hasn’t been out long so who know how many that will kill in accidents given its construction.
That was the 90’s. In 2025, you infiltrate the federal government, fire anyone investigating you, close departments that are a nuisance, and subvert the judicial branch.
what’s this from?
Fight Club
oh shit what a blast from the past
It is this. Everyone seems to have forgotten the Ford Exploder and all the rollover accidents well above the industry average as well.
Tesla vehicle owner detected.
Yeah, but not for much longer. I’ve had my Model 3 for 7 years, well before Elon went full public Nazi, and when there were almost no similar alternatives for less than $80k.
Just Blbeing anti-Tesla just because it’s the thing you do now is stupid. Facts are facts. Fascists aren’t the only ones that like to ignore inconvenient facts.
Acting like the hundreds of thousands of existing Tesla owners are the same as people currently buying just makes you look like a dipshit.
Acting like the hundreds of thousands of existing Tesla owners are the same as people currently buying just makes you look like a dipshit.
You sound a bit defensive here.
I wasn’t suggesting anything beyond the strong coping signal I saw with you defending the safety of a vehicle in the face of data.
You make it sound like I called you a musk fanboi so if we want to talk about things people do to make themselves look like dipshits, your post is a top contender.
You make it sound like I called you a musk fanboi
That’s exactly how your previous sentence came across, especially given the anti-Tesla sentiment. You can’t honestly be trying to claim otherwise while being in the comment section of social media like Lemmy talking about Tesla.
If only that was true, but it isn’t. They’re about even, and even if they where behind on %, it should have been a pretty big case as we’re supposed to have learned and be more vigilant
we’re supposed to have learned and be more vigilant
There is a regular ICE car fire every 3 minutes in the US, even after the changes made in vehicle design. But no one likes to talk about that fact. It’s normal and you don’t get to feel superior on the internet for making a snarky reply making fun of a billionaire who doesn’t know you exist or care about what you think.
Yes! Musk makes these cars. As the great engineer he is he hand built the original tesla using old tools he inherited from his father. I get to feel as superior as i want. The rules set out for plebs like you dont work on me.
He knows who I am, I’m the billions of dead people committing Medicare fraud! So efficient!
If we had learned, we wouldn’t be where we are.
there are more teslas than there are pintos?
That seems like a safe bet to me.
Yep, I can’t use this statistic for anything if it can’t compare to totals. I’m assuming that teslas, as a whole brand, outnumbers ford pinto, a single model, by at least 10x.
Mor than 3 million Pintos were sold and all Tesla models combined are under 10 million
With this in mind, the fatality rate is roughly the same (so far)
That would be a shockingly bad statistic for Tesla to be on par with a Pinto. Yikes
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I hate to defend Tesla because I hate the owner and there are serious issues with things like having the emergency escape door latches hidden and difficult to access…
But there were 1.5 million Pintos affected by the safety recall across 5 model years. Tesla sold more than that many cars last year alone, and estimates are they’ve sold about 7 million vehicles total.
The fire fatality rate was higher for Pinto than Tesla.
It’s hard to comprehend how things have simply inflated over the years. We’re dealing with massive numbers now, compared to 1970-1980…
That being said, even with the much higher numbers, we should consider the fact that as the numbers have gone up, so has safety technology.
So the cars should be expected to be safer year over year. The percentage of failures should be less.
That being said, just because it’s a smaller percentage doesn’t necessarily mean that we shouldn’t care about it happening.
In the end, I find your comment to be very useful in gaining a bit of perspective. While it might not fundamentally change my opinion, or anyone else’s, it’s good to understand the magnitude of these numbers, in comparison to the overall volume of vehicles out there.
*Opens /all*
*3/first 5 posts “tesla” or “musk”*
“You don’t hear about it.”
My dude it’s all I hear about ffs.
I guess it should be “why aren’t I hearing about this” and more “why isn’t anyone doing anything about this.”
Which is kind of just the reaction to everything Musk in general.
Ah, yes, the thing we all haven’t heard and seen constantly for years. /s
Tesla’s exploding has been widely covered since the very first one happened, both as actual news and jokes/memes. This image is dumb as fuck, simply because of that. And I’d say with certainty that a LOT more people are aware of Teslas exploding than how many even know there was a car named Fort Pinto.
I’m all for Tesla going down the drain, and more of them exploding (without casualties), but report on that instead of making up dumb shit (that no one hears about it).I mean, the Cybertruck is a joke.
She’s a 21st century pinto, oh yeah!
A 21st century pinto, oh yeah!
You guys heard about percentages?
You are right. There were 3 million pintos sold. So far there have been 6 million teslas sold. So it’s much worse than we thought. 1970s tech joke of a car has a better fire rate Than a 2020s tech car. Thanks for bringing that up!
Utilitarianism is really only viable when the other option is EVERYBODY dies (give-or-take a percentage point or two); killing 10 to save 1000 only really works as an argument if the alternative is 1010 unavoidable deaths. 20 avoidable deaths and 80 avoidable deaths are still a fuck ton of avoidable deaths, especially when we HAVE the resources and the knowledge to prevent them but we just don’t because of profit margins and shareholders
Went to check the numbers and this site says the total number of Tesla deaths is higher(although not specifically from fires)
I think the takeaway from that site is that the self driving deaths really aren’t that far behind the deaths from Tesla fires.
When Trump dies, President Musk will yeet the body in a flaming cybertruk to explode Obama’s library because DEI
This is an acid trip of a comment
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For one thing, in the Pinto days we didn’t have information firehoses shooting streams of content at us 24/7. People were putting up “Hang In There” cat posters with scotch tape. And “You don’t have to be CRAZY to work here… but it helps!!!” Those were simpler times.
Different times, different causes, and different ratios of incidents to total cars. I hate Musk, think any potential for Teslas has declined heavily in quality, and lots of mistakes have been made in its development. But this kind of comparison is a definite apples and oranges. Plus grouping every incident under “blows up” and the cause of death is a bit much. How many of those were due to drivers? How many Teslas that did have some fire warned their driver to pull over and save them, vs. a Pinto that…would just catch fire and couldn’t possibly do that.
I mean be fair if you’re going to be critical. There is plenty to be critical about, especially with the disaster known as the Cybertruck. Plus the last part…if no one is hearing about it, then why is it a damn meme at this point, and unjustified because while Tesla fires are a nasty thing to put out, there are still far more ICE fires, and THEY only get a side note in the local news, if that.
So much missing of the point and defending going on here
Apples and Oranges. One car killed people, the other killed other people in other ways. Totally different.
A meme is only as good as what goes into it. And yes, I’ll defend the facts over a silly meme that bends them to make it work.
Did I go overboard for just a meme, yeah, probably. I stand by what I said though, from a point of view of reality.
The fact is that cars should have gotten safer but not all have and you’re here trying to say on some technicality that it’s ok. But you don’t even have facts to back that up
I never said anything like that, but if that’s your perception of it, then so be it.
If you want a commonality of the two situations separated by 50 years, both car companies in their own ways have tried to rationalize the problems to downplay them, because in all that time it’s still cheaper to pay settlements and fines than to fix the core problems. That is true beyond the car industry.
The meme actually makes a good point but you can reject it if you want
I dunno, I’ve heard a lot of jokes about Teslas exploding
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Tesla blames it on a software issue that will be “fixed in the next update”
